Ariana Frayer - Cup of OJ Creative - T1D

[00:00:00] Rob Howe: What up, what up? We got a little different intro episode because we have a guest. Our guest for this episode is also going to be on the intro because that's just how we're doing. How did you describe this intro, Eritrea? Was it messy?

[00:00:11] Eritrea: Yeah, being messy. I was like, I'm so excited to bring Ariana on, but if you don't want to join in the mess with me and Rob, we can do it all by ourselves.

[00:00:20] Rob Howe: Yeah, and you spoiled it. Our guest on this intro, Ariana Frayer. Welcome. Welcome to the intro. Thanks guys. Thanks for having me. So if it's too deep for the intro, shout out J Cole. If it's too deep for the intro, we're going on the episode, but today it's been a while since we recorded. I was like setting up for the podcast and I was like, wow, it feels like weeks, a shout out planning and doing things ahead of time because we've been, you know, releasing weekly episodes. Uh, but recently in the diabetes community, um, there's been a lot of talk about the diabetes app and not in the way that it started. The narrative started one way and then it dramatically shifted. So, uh, here to spill a little bit of that tea, uh, Ariana's going to talk about, cause she, you did a post or you did a couple of posts for the diabetes app. And I know some of our other friends of the pod, shout out Basma, shout out Austin first also had been diabetes app promoters. So let's start there. Let's start like, uh, with that. And then we'll, we'll go into sort of what the community outrage has been the last week or so.

[00:01:19] Ariana Frayer: Yeah. So, uh, what started as what I thought was like this great, you know, little community app kind of replicating Instagram with like worse features. And

[00:01:31] Rob Howe: like, cause we, I haven't used it. So like full transparency, I have not downloaded the diabetes app. I had a, I'll talk about my talks with them because they also reached out to me, but I didn't end up working with them, but tell us what it was. It's like, it was like a Instagram

[00:01:43] Ariana Frayer: community kind of like beyond type 1 app. Yeah. Yeah. It's basically a social media app where you can connect with others with diabetes and a bunch of strangers that, you know, we just all happen to have diabetes, which has its perks for those that are looking for a community off of Instagram with diabetes and don't know anybody. Yeah. Hello. Here we are. Yeah. But at the same time, it's also just like a bunch of strangers that you don't really know. And because it kind of like automatically puts you into these different boards or whatever. So they reached out to me, I think earlier this year, um, kind of like doing some campaigns that were, um, like a couple month long campaigns. It was nice. They paid us and, um, we posted and, you know, I, from what I could tell, I'm like, this is great for people who are just being diagnosed and want a place to go and talk to people. And we're fortunate, fortunate enough to have a either community online or a community in person where they live, they can go online and interact with people and ask questions. And, you know, that is really nice. And it's definitely helpful to a lot of people. So I did some posts. I, they were great to work with. Actually, I really enjoyed the girl who was in charge of the influencers. And she was very responsive. And they were very on it with everything. And they paid me, you know, at the right time every month.

[00:03:09] Rob Howe: And yeah, I mean, like just, just like talking as a, as a content creator that like those things are so rare to have like something that's a good partnership and like be like communicative and responsive and like pay on time, pay on time is a big one.

[00:03:24] Ariana Frayer: And something that was a few months at a time. So it was income that I could expect at that specific time. And it was something that I believed in and I thought this was a great idea and I have a significant following. So why not let them know of a place that they could connect

[00:03:45] Rob Howe: with more people? So then, so let's talk about like about 10 days ago, I guess, Miss Diabetes, who is an artist and animator out of New Zealand. And she is also like a pretty staunch, like insulin for all advocate. And she put on Twitter, I guess, like that they had made like a copy to post or like had taken, I mean, it's pretty obviously copied. Like you'd have to like pretty significant, like mental gymnastics. They plagiarized her as an artist.

[00:04:15] Eritrea: They took her idea. They took her idea.

[00:04:18] Rob Howe: And like in marketing and in content, like everybody steals things but like that was pretty egregious i would say and then there's

[00:04:24] Ariana Frayer: ways that they could take inspiration from it and they did that yeah so many things that they

[00:04:28] Rob Howe: should have done right so she posted uh like on just i'm just like laying out the this the the wall and you guys can't see me but i'm like making gestures with my hands of like the the meme from always sunny right of like the the stuff on the wall uh the detective wall and so then they like say they sort of apologize, but like sort of not. And like use some like very like, you know, I think the community was calling it gaslighting, but it was pretty like corporate, whatever.

[00:04:58] Ariana Frayer: Or sorry that you feel that way.

[00:05:00] Rob Howe: Right, right. It's very, very like, yeah, othering. And so then they also like in the same thread asked her to pay for advertising on the app. So it was like, hey, like this will be a great way to get like things going. Anyway, so it started this like big, you know, firestorm really in the media. and then uh it caused beta cell podcast craig to go and craig's super smart and digs into all the financials of the company the backing the founders the employees like how much money they've spent like where the money comes from and i assume he was using like angel list or some other like like platform like that where you know companies put all their information out there anyway it discovers that their monetization model and shout out to him because i had the same questions i was like, well, what does this app do? It just sounds like Instagram. And basically that it's going to be like a e-commerce pharmacy, so to speak, like in the future version 2.0, 3.0 is basically like, hey, this diabetes app, we're going to get a bunch of users with diabetes. And then eventually we'll mark up and like make margin on like e-commerce sites, which is not, you know, not shady necessarily, but they're leading with the community message.

[00:06:05] Ariana Frayer: It's so nefarious. Like it's, think about it. They're putting all, they're, they convinced influencers under the guise of community and then later on they'd be like oh now we have you guys in our clutches we know exactly where you are right so that's that's that's the nefarious thing right we didn't know anything about them right at all they've never disclosed that they were ever going to be an e-pharmacy or anything like that they've never even disclosed that like i've like i've seen some of on their on their instagram page you know they'll have graphics and stuff and i'm sitting here like as an artist myself it kind of i never really looked into it and and I you know maybe should have been following a little more closely to like look into the graphics that they're posting and seeing if they're crediting artists because that is something that I noticed and I'm kind of like oh okay it looks like they're using a lot of graphic heavy stuff and maybe in the back of my mind I like filed it like well maybe I can do something for them someday but whatever but we didn't we did not know that they had a platform where they would want artists to advertise their art or people to advertise on their site.

[00:07:09] Rob Howe: We had no idea about that. Yeah. And I think that's like the, that was the trick, right? Was, and why people are upset is the lack of transparency of like what we're doing. Hey, we are building a community, but the purpose is like, eventually you'll be able to buy stuff here or whatever. I think if they had just led with that, that would have been, you know, received a whole lot better. And to your point, like also like, Hey, we're selling advertisements here to monetize this platform, whatever. And so that's where like the hedge game kind of is very tricky because it was all of the posts were very community focused. And I remember that was my big question. So they reached out to me like half a dozen times probably. And I always came back to the same question and Eritrea was actually pushing me to like, we should do like to get this money, like do this thing. And I was like, well, it doesn't make sense to me. I don't know what it's for why is it different and now obviously i know because the uh the pharmacy aspect so that makes sense to me but i had a call with uh with one of their marketing people i won't name them um because i don't think that's appropriate but uh my um question was like sell me on using the app and they really couldn't do that and so i was like well if you have this title and you can't sell me to use this app this person who obviously like it's perfect for this then i'm probably going to pass and so very fortunate that i did did anybody reach out to you after uh but actually one of the only reasons that I took the call was one of your posts. There's the people that I know and work with and, uh, like value and trust, uh, for their information, exactly like the explanation you just gave. Um, and I was like, Oh, well maybe we should take a deeper look into this. And, uh, you know, fortunately got to dodge that bullet. What, what did you, what, since the like findings have been released, what has the, have you heard anything from them or from the community? Yeah. Um, so I

[00:08:50] Ariana Frayer: got an, I was actually, so all of this stuff kind of came out on two Thursdays ago. I think I had a promoted post going out about one of their like diet, uh, Nevada or Nevada national diabetes awareness month campaigns that Friday I had one scheduled, like already approved. Um, and the main contact emailed me and was like, Hey, there's some allegations that are, you know, coming up um do you have any questions for me and at that point like I already talked to Adam a little bit and I was just kind of like I don't really feel I don't really feel comfortable like this is a you know well-known artist in our community and what she's saying like I agree with her and so at first I emailed back because this is before like a lot more had come out about it um I had emailed back and I'm like hey I would like to pass on our post for tomorrow and kind of like let the dust settle and see where it goes. This is also before they had released their statement. And then the next morning, I think it was Friday or Saturday morning, they had released their statement saying like, oh, you know, sorry, you feel that way. There's an artist that feels X, Y, and Z, you know, their first statement. And then I saw what Miss Diabetes had said about it. And I was, you know, talking also about how there was another artist who they had kind of ripped off work from and just kind of the whole response of theirs. And I kind of without really even thinking any more into it, emailed my main contact and was like, I'm very disappointed in the way that you guys handled this. I'm very disappointed in the way that you represent or that you represent artists and that you do not pay your artists and that you, you know, think this is a way to go about X, Y, and Z. and I was like I do not feel comfortable working with you guys moving forward and then it sounds like it's that sounds tough like Rob said sorry yeah well I also you know like yeah it's super tough I mean you're an artist does anybody ever stolen your stuff before yeah well also I'm kind of like um why are you paying me also one I'm an artist hello but two like as a as an influencer you're paying me take my budget and pay artists

[00:11:19] Rob Howe: what'd you say i said yeah why not just pay her too she has a following well or i don't want to

[00:11:24] Ariana Frayer: be a part of this anymore please use my budget that you were paying me and pay an artist because then you would actually have like i don't know more of a community yeah and i think especially

[00:11:37] Rob Howe: that's that's the tricky word right is like and now i think it's really a buzzword and where and in marketing communities you know hey we're building a community it's like do you have a community or do you have like customer base like because i think that's different you know like amazon doesn't have a community they have a ton of customers you know it's like and so what is the what is that line between like community and customers and you know is it blurred sometimes i think it is like think of companies like peloton where you know you're all customers but also there's this community. And I think it's just where it is a thin line where it can become really exploitative, exploitative, exploitative, exploitative, exploitative. Okay. Now we're talking, but yeah, it was obviously a terrible look for the diabetes app and, you know, very obviously like just a terrible, you know, I think the lack of transparency is really, you know, what people, uh, what people want and what they're sort of demanding. And that's, that's really

[00:12:39] Ariana Frayer: important. So I think another big thing was finding out that the creators are not diabetic. Okay. So this is the tea, right? So I started watching their stories. I was like, what? I knew y'all were on some shit. Actually, Rob, I never even knew, but they actually messaged me for like a black people spotlight article. And I was like, nah, sis. And I never responded anyway. So the reason they started this company is because the owner's dad had type 2 diabetes so like the ceo guy doesn't even have diabetes nobody there has diabetes so y'all are literally no offense but so out of your depth this is a special type of community the people here they mad all the time so y'all came in here really thinking like we're gonna give these sick people this and they're gonna thank us and these people were like screw y'all yeah and now they're losing all their partnerships like skin grip has dropped them good as a bunch yeah good i needed to know that because that was one of the main ones that i really cared about that was advertising on there and i you know

[00:13:41] Rob Howe: i love me some skin grip so same i was gonna say i i didn't tell you this yet and i'll keep it in this this episode but because we i love your skin drip skin grip collaboration first of all we love the pastels uh Eritrea likes them she like i i'm like sorry babe i'm never gonna wear pastel like sticker tape. That's just not me. Uh, but I am wearing my white screen skin grip tape right now. So I did try white. So I'm like the clear. Have you tried the clear? I'm not a clear. I don't like clear because skin is gross and it starts to get dirty. That's my only summertime though.

[00:14:13] Ariana Frayer: They work so well. I wore it a full week in Mexico going in water every single day. And sorry, this isn't in the skin grip ad, but I am giving them a free skin grip ad and we'll put

[00:14:25] Rob Howe: your code in it too. So yeah, you know, anyway, a solid company, again, like the, the folks that run this, it's a family owned business. There's diabetes in the family. They understand they're meeting a need and they really care. They really care about that. And I think that's what's, that's the difference. It's like such an easy distinction and like listening and like really listening to a community and not just treating them like customers. And I think that's, you know, where skin grip really does a great job. So shout out skin grip. They've been an advertiser on the pod before they're just good folks and uh yeah can't say enough good things well what not to do

[00:14:59] Ariana Frayer: marketing 101 i took this as a learning lesson like they really just shot themselves in the foot because like ariana said all y'all had to do was pay those artists and y'all made the wrong people mad because them insulin for all people will never let this shit go and they shouldn't they shouldn't i hope i hope they take you out to the guillotine for it because y'all deserve it like so like think

[00:15:17] Rob Howe: about this so you talk about like a marketing 101 right for me honestly if they had just said the diabetes app is has a social network and an e-commerce thing I honestly think more people would have downloaded that I might have even tried it if that not not because like I am in desperate need of that but at least I understand what it's for yeah and you know they just they

[00:15:38] Ariana Frayer: jumped their gun so many times there was like an entire app update that we were supposed to get and every time they would put out a new thing they they ended up having to like create a whole new app for it and then you had to make a new account and even as like one of their influencers that was difficult because it was like we had to tell people to download the new app and make a whole new thing so now maybe we have two accounts on and then the first app got got or nixed or the new app got nixed because it didn't work and there was all these bugs and whatever time to make a new startup r.i.p. r.i.p. the Diabetes App, we were you were cool you were chilling i guess i unfollowed them i did they just lost they lost all their followers they lost a bunch of partnerships what not to do. It was a new place for me to put my low carb cocktail recipes in there. You know, my little, but, uh, you know, I was doing my rounds and posted on my Instagram, posted on

[00:16:28] Rob Howe: my diabetes app. Yeah. Just got it. Yeah. I mean, another channel. And again, like it's not a smart, not a flawed strategy, except that they lied, uh, you know, other than that. And they didn't pay their artists. Oh yeah. Don't, don't steal. Don't steal. Don't lie. Don't steal. That's so simple. Yeah. Especially from diabetics. Okay. I hope you guys enjoyed that very different intro from us, but Ariana Freyre is here, Diabetics Doing Things. We're telling the amazing stories of people with

[00:16:56] Ariana Frayer: diabetes from all over the world. Welcome to the show. Thanks so much. I'm so excited to be here. I got a little sneak peek hanging out with you guys or making some content last year, and now I'm finally getting to join the podcast. I'm so excited.

[00:17:10] Rob Howe: I know what a, like, what a miss on our part for not like connecting our like features to the pod, but Hey, we learned lesson learned. And I also think like behind the scenes, like you were working on our blog, like when you, when Adam proposed, like, so yeah. Like, what was it like working on your eventual proposal vacation? That's so funny. I totally

[00:17:32] Ariana Frayer: forgot about that. It was like, yeah, the same weekend. Yeah. You're like, you know, you're like,

[00:17:35] Rob Howe: Hey, uh, I got engaged. Like, can I like send this to you later? Like, uh, yeah.

[00:17:40] Ariana Frayer: me always working. So I like have to make sure to follow up everything. Yeah, it was, uh, it was great. I love, um, his family has a cabin up in big bear. So it's really nice to go up there and, uh, makes a new background for photos. I get to do more festive stuff and then living in Las Vegas, we really don't get many holiday or many, um, seasons. So it makes it a little nicer up there.

[00:18:03] Rob Howe: Yeah. So you, you live in Vegas. Uh, you, you are the founder of cup of OJ creative. Uh, so like, and you also live with diabetes. So let's like, let's back up a little bit and talk about your diagnosis story and like, tell us about, you know, your life with diabetes thus far,

[00:18:19] Ariana Frayer: and then let's dig into a couple of OJ creative. Yeah. So, um, just kind of like an overview about me. Um, I was diagnosed in 2003, uh, in fourth grade. So I've been living with diabetes for almost 18 years next month. Um, so through high school, through my awkward years, through college, through learning how to drink. Um, so it's, it's, you know, been a pretty long time. Um, three years ago, I started my blog cup of OJ, where I just wanted to share a fresh take on living, get it fresh take on living with type 1 diabetes, just any tips or tricks I've learned along the way. I had never really thought about sharing my diabetes online. And one day looked up, you know, the hashtag type 1 diabetes and started finding online creators. And I'm, I was like, I could totally do this. I share everything. Why do I not share my diabetes? Um, so I started sharing a little more and then had all of these ideas for blogs. And, um, so started my blog, uh, since then I have actually started a, um, online shop where I am designing and selling different cute little, uh, shirts and bags and key chains and hats, um, that type 1 diabetics and other diabetics actually, not just type 1 will enjoy wearing. It's just a little subtle, subtle touches that kind of make us feel like a community. Um, and I, yeah, ever since then, Cup of OJ has really expanded. I do, I, you know, make low carb cocktails every month. I put out low carb Starbucks drinks. Um, I love my charcuterie

[00:20:11] Rob Howe: board recipes. I responded, you put a story up today and it's like, it's board season. It's like,

[00:20:16] Ariana Frayer: It's time. It totally is. We love a charcuterie board. I like, I go a little crazy on my charcuterie boards, but they look cooler that way. So yeah. Um, diagnosis. Yep. I was in fourth grade and, uh, all of a sudden I had started losing weight, you know, going to the bathroom a lot. I was drinking a lot of water. I told my parents that I thought that my, I was having a growth spurt in my throat because I was drinking so much water because that made sense to me. Science, you can't question it. Yeah. A few months earlier, we went on this like family trip to our, our family kind of like owns this ranch in New Mexico with like a lot of different family members. So we went on this big trip and we all like hung out all week and the stomach flu went around all of us. And so it, which made for a very gross, but bonding family trip. And so, uh, you know how they always kind of say before you get diagnosed, something dramatic probably happens where your body goes

[00:21:22] Rob Howe: through a lot of stress. So yeah, we talked about it before it was flu for me, Eritrea too, I think

[00:21:27] Ariana Frayer: nine 11, buddy nine 11. That's right. Oh my gosh. Wow. Yeah. I had to like move out of the country. it was weird anyway. I'm so sorry. Um, isn't it so weird how our body's just like, cool. We went under a lot of stress. So I'm going to give you something to stress about forever. We love stress. Here's something to stress about for the rest of your life. So we always make a joke in my family that my cousin Alec gave me diabetes because he was the first one to get the stomach flu.

[00:21:54] Rob Howe: He was patient zero, the patient zero of the stomach flu. So, um, anyways, my aunt's a

[00:22:00] Ariana Frayer: pediatrician. So my mom gave her a call when I lost a whole bunch of weight and she was like, these symptoms seem kind of familiar. Um, and my aunt was like, yeah, you need to take her into the hospital now. So I spent like four days in the hospital right before Thanksgiving, almost 18 years ago. And all I remember is asking the doctor if I could still eat KFC popcorn chicken. He said, yeah. And that's all I cared about. Problem solved. Wow.

[00:22:29] Rob Howe: what a popcorn chicken i think that's the first kfc popcorn chicken reference ever made on the pod so feel free to pat yourself on the back for that shout out kfc popcorn chicken one time yeah

[00:22:38] Ariana Frayer: we love that 10 year old Ariana wow man that's so funny i also remember sorry go ahead no no no you you remember you're the guest go ahead yeah i just remember that they kept injecting insulin into an orange and i'm like why are you doing this in front of me i'm trying to watch double teamed on disney channel okay i have

[00:23:01] Rob Howe: serious basketball problems with double team like the actual like the move that she does you you know what i'm talking about where like she just goes on her tiptoes like left and right like that's

[00:23:11] Ariana Frayer: her secret move and like wait okay so our younger listeners double teamed what's double teamed because also has a terrible name so uh the blonde twins girls the decom original

[00:23:26] Rob Howe: yeah it's that are not really twins Disney channel original movie like that's a poll they don't they don't just have that they have it on Disney plus their double team is on Disney plus if you're trying to watch it and it's two twins that kind of look like Katherine Heigl but neither of them are Katherine Heigl and and they are basketball players so of course you know I'm gonna tune in like I'm 13 years old I'm an I'm like you know awkward I was gonna say you said you made it through your awkward years like when does that stop because I'm still in mine I'd love to grow out of it, but I just can't. So anyway, I'm 13 years old. I'm watching double teamed and I only, I only bring this up because recently on Tik TOK, somebody was breaking down the actual move because Tik TOK is the best literally just like shifts her weight from side to side while like going on a tippy toe. And then all of a sudden, like everyone on the other team just explodes and dies and she gets, she gets a nice load. All of a sudden, like the red sea is parted and like she can score so anyway that's the movie double teamed uh they're twin sisters they moved to an apartment complex i don't know maybe some financial so many questions now like

[00:24:32] Ariana Frayer: you know that was movies was not my favorite become what is your what is your what is your

[00:24:38] Rob Howe: favorite okay look at the irish classic smart house anyone hello oh the best the best okay

[00:24:44] Ariana Frayer: 13th year maybe oh okay oh the the guy who turned into a merman i will say those are like early, you know, teenage girls, sexual awakening movies, that guy. So the guy,

[00:24:57] Rob Howe: the guy that's in the Irish and 13th year, aren't they all the same guy?

[00:25:02] Ariana Frayer: No, the same dude. Wait, no. Smart house. Look at the Irish and smart house are the same guy. Not 13th year. There's no way 13th year and look at the Irish are the same guy. Okay. I think it's the same guy. Ryan Merriman. Yeah. It is that why I do with the blue eyes. I knew it.

[00:25:16] Rob Howe: I knew he turned into a merman. I knew that 13th year smart house. Look at the Irish, all the same guy.

[00:25:21] Ariana Frayer: No wonder such good movies. So he's definitely smart house. He's definitely the luck of the Irish. And I'm looking up at CDs in 13th year. I'll get back to you people.

[00:25:31] Rob Howe: I just remember him. I remember him near some gills. So it's gotta be like the merman movie. I remember it. I knew it. I knew it. Shout out Ryan Merriman.

[00:25:41] Ariana Frayer: Yeah. Shout out Ryan Merriman.

[00:25:42] Rob Howe: who like you know put a lot of girls through puberty and has also been a lot of bad guys on like law and order svu and like law and order ci he's just like a recurring tv like one episode guy

[00:25:53] Ariana Frayer: his imdb is lit wait no this is no no no no no this is not him no okay what what's going on chaz starbuck chaz starbuck he was cody griffin okay i'm just googling chaz starbuck which is okay i see him i see him here you're right all right you're right yeah cody griffin i was the other why do with the man they all look the same yeah they do all look the same yeah this is the

[00:26:27] Rob Howe: most shockingly similar looking white kid wow what a time this really went off the rail very

[00:26:33] Ariana Frayer: It really did. I apologize for your sexual awakening comment. We do this a lot.

[00:26:37] Rob Howe: Yeah, that's fine. I think like, you know, when I think of what put me through puberty, Gal Gadot walking out of the water in Fast Five, like that for sure was like, that was it for me. But Ryan Merriman and this Chez Starbuck for you, I get it.

[00:26:50] Ariana Frayer: I mean, it was early on, you know, then there was, then there was, then we had the sweet life of Zach and Cody, but it was, that was kind of like a slower progression.

[00:27:00] Rob Howe: right. Cause they don't, they don't like their children in the, in like the first five seasons, right? I have a type. Okay. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Okay. If you were on Disney channel, if you were on Disney channel between 1998 and 2009, you're, you're Ariana's type.

[00:27:17] Ariana Frayer: Okay. Anyways, back to my diagnosis story. Okay. Yeah. Back to diabetes. One more throwback diabetes reference. The, the little bear they give you that has all the patches that you can inject into well nobody told me that you weren't supposed to actually inject real insulin into that so mine started to smell very badly and i had to throw it away yeah they don't tell you that and

[00:27:43] Rob Howe: they what because like okay i'm trying to think of the name what is the name supposed to put it's

[00:27:47] Ariana Frayer: like blue right isn't it like blue well because it has like little on its hands it has like a little pad no it has it has on its thighs and its stomach and its arms so you can practice

[00:27:57] Rob Howe: injection right and all the hot spots yeah rufus rufus is the jdrf bear for sure oh no this one had like a skirt oh it was the she it was the she so i don't know the medtronic has the lion let me the

[00:28:13] Ariana Frayer: lion interesting there's a lot of these bears now so anyway somebody's out there grifting they're trying to turn bears not waste their own insulin because i didn't know i i never got one i wasn't lucky enough but i mean they always looked really cool and i was like oh i want one of those but i didn't know y'all weren't y'all are not supposed to shoot a real insulin to them i didn't know i

[00:28:33] Rob Howe: was i was 16 so i was real interesting like angsty i was like don't give me a bear i'm not a kid

[00:28:38] Ariana Frayer: ruby wow ruby there she goes there she goes the og okay so we so we had to throw that away because it smelled like insulin which smells like you you felt like you were such an interesting little kid I wish we could have been friends. Okay. So funny. Okay. Listen also, I just found this, this, these photos will never surface. Okay. So I'm going to tell you about something, but no one will ever see them. Well, maybe I'll post them. Who knows? Okay. I straight up shaved my head in fifth grade because my two other friends did it. Okay. It wasn't like, you know, someone was, had hair loss from cancer. You know, it wasn't like I was being a supportive friend. I was being a follower. So two of my friends, both are one had naturally short hair. She was a super tomboy. And then the other one was like, you know what, I'm going to join you. And then I was like, yeah, me too. So I straight up just had a full like pixie cut, but I didn't look cute in any way, shape or form. I looked like a, like Peter Pan, but he was homeless. And so I just found out that my first year of diabetes camp was right after I shaved my head. so I'm going to all your photos and I'm just like alone wearing these like extra large clothes because I was going through my tomboy phase where I was wearing Hurley and all this stuff and I looked like lost like a little lost boy Peter Pan oh my god that's hilarious I showed Adam he was like I can't believe you just because too like no reason just yeah, I need to do that. I just want to do this. I'm just going to shave my head.

[00:30:18] Rob Howe: I'm going to attempt, I'm going to attempt to bring this back to diabetes as much as I can, because this is something that I think about a lot, a lot when I talk to diabetes parents as well, is we forget how difficult it is to just be a regular kid. Like you saw two girls, not 20, just two at your school who shaved their head. And you thought today's the day, baby, I got to get me some of that. And like, you probably live and die with like, I gotta have my head shaved because at that point it was the most important thing to you. And so I think about that with parents of kids with diabetes all the time, because we forget like how crazy you feel after someone says like, I don't like you. Or like they say, you like, do you like me? Yes. No. On a note, they say no. And you want to just like run in front of traffic immediately because you're 12 years old. And you know, that's such a huge milestone event. You'll never love again because this person circled no on the note, you know, and we forget about that with diabetes and there's so much emotion involved in that. So anyway, give yourself, give your kids, give your teens a little

[00:31:21] Ariana Frayer: space. Yeah. I was trying so hard to fit in that I shaved my head. Wow. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. I ate, I ate lunch in the nurse's office every day because I love the nurse and I had social anxiety

[00:31:35] Eritrea: with food now that it became dude i used to do that too the nurse was my homie yeah the nurse office is a safe space it's a safe space okay so i used to do this thing and then i'm not gonna talk about myself because it's not my episode but i used to go into the nurse office after the tax test and be like i need to call my parents and i'll call my dad be like baba i'm done he's like i'm on my way i never had to stay late ever my daddy was on his way and the nurse had my back make friends with the nurse that's all i can say to little kids with diabetes 100 the nurse huge life friends with her she's your homie she'll sign a hall pass she'll get you out of out a little bit

[00:32:10] Rob Howe: early she'll let you eat your lunch in there if you're nice to her that's the key she let me

[00:32:14] Eritrea: counsel your mom i got to bring a friend into the nurse's office every day i got to bring a friend so i would have a rotating i was so popular because all my friends wanted to eat in the the nurse's office with me. I'm like, well, the nurse has to give me an insulin shop first.

[00:32:30] Rob Howe: So welcome to being disabled. So that is actually a really great transition. And just cause this is what I do. Like you have made your life fit, you know, made diabetes fit into your life. And that's one of the things I really like about following you. I think even if I didn't have like, you know, the podcast or community or whatever, like following you and people like you who are like, I'm going to live my life. Diabetes is with me all the time. I'm going to help kind of solve this for you or answer any questions you have about things. So like when you are going to festivals, like, or, you know, going out drinking or like going wearing a dress and like what you do with your devices and things, like all those things are so important because you're not changing your life because of diabetes, but you are adjusting it in a way that is, you know, allows you to live the life you want to live, but without having to sacrifice, like actually having a fun time.

[00:33:17] Ariana Frayer: yeah that's so important to me actually I have my mindset is like like I don't know I obviously always always promote like a very positive mindset my I kind of think like okay I have diabetes I'm gonna have diabetes probably forever and it's rather like I'm not looking at it like oh god I'm gonna have diabetes forever I'm just kind of like okay this is the cards that I was drawn. I'm thankful to have the resources that I have now to continue to take care of myself with it. Hopefully knock on wood, I will have access and everyone will hopefully have access to it someday. Um, we need to just keep working on that. Um, and like, don't put it at the bottom of the pile, like put it at the top. But I'm, I've always kind of been like with everything, It's kind of like, okay, this is what I want to do. How do I get to doing that? I'm never like, I want to go to the music festivals and have fun. I want to, you know, go out with friends, whatever that be, and go to a fun bachelorette weekend, wherever. And I don't want to sacrifice not going. And I've never been like, I've always been very responsible. I've always like, I take my nighttime insulin every night. I've maybe missed it like once or twice in my whole life. Like I, no matter how much I drink, I'm very regimented with things. I'm like, I'm a very, very type A responsible person. But at the same time, that like kind of allows me to prepare myself in order to, you know, go camping or go on a 15 mile bike ride that my fiance decides to take me on because he didn't look at the map and, you know, like whatever life throws at me. And I, I, I do. Thanks so much. That means a lot to me that that doesn't or that's noticeable to other people because I have diabetes, but also like I'm fun.

[00:35:13] Rob Howe: Yeah. And I mean, I think also it's noticeable to me because I see and have been online, very online for a long time. And I've seen a lot of diabetes. And I think my friends who I've been friends with throughout, we all bond like diabetes brought us together. there, we were kind of talking offline earlier about like getting like exposed to extreme or complete strangers just because we have diabetes, like through hashtags or through other apps or whatever. Um, but the people who have stuck by are like the people who I've still vibe with outside of diabetes are the ones that I have stuff in common with. And, you know, who want to go to music festivals or want to go to a bachelor at bachelor weekend and like go live their life, go travel, go play sports, like whatever that is, because that's what I like to do. And I think like, so much of that for me, and you talked about, you know, recognizing, you know, privilege and access and things like that. And for me, the biggest life hack I got with diabetes is day one, I had an amazing care team who told me like, and use diabetes as like a doorway to whatever I wanted to do. And so without that, I, you know, and people have been on this podcast, like very openly sharing their stories that were not like that, like the very opposite and how it set them back for years before they realized it, before they met someone like you, or listen to a podcast Let's do a blog or whatever, read a blog because they thought that they, you know, what they heard from the doctor on day one, they took as gospel because, you know, we until recently trust doctors. So, you know, I think the anyway, all that to say is like, I just that I love that outlook on life with diabetes because it is difficult. It is expensive. It is sometimes heartbreaking and terrible. But at the same time, if you want, and if you prepare, uh, you can do the things that you want to do. You can go on an impromptu 15 mile bike ride, uh, which, you know, sometimes no one can plan for. I am like a walking hiking accident. Every time I go hiking, something weird happens and it ends up being 20 miles and we run out of water. So I just don't anymore. Yeah. But, um, yeah, I don't know. I think it's just a really fresh take and I, you know, and also it's like a joke, right? Like, cause a cup of OJ, like who among us has not treated a low blood sugar with a

[00:37:23] Ariana Frayer: cup of warm juice. Yeah. Well, I also, I also have, um, let's see, did I just lose my train of thought? No. So when I was, I all the time kind of am a little thankful that I, if, if I was to go at diabetes at any time in my life. I'm thankful that I got it when I did in elementary school, because I kind of had to grow up taking care of myself and like looking at food, maybe a little bit differently. And I never saw it as like, oh, I can't have this, or I can't have this. I saw more of like, okay, well, I got to like prepare a little more and then yada, yada, and then take my insulin earlier. And, um, but I also think that diabetes has helped me understand nutrition a lot more and understand that, you know, maybe not every day I'm going to have a giant milkshake. I could, but I know that I would probably be probably feel crappy if I did. And maybe like knowing myself and how I'm still not that great at, you know, counting my carbohydrates because I get kind of lazy. Um, I would prefer to just kind of stick to my normal routine and I enjoy eating healthy, which maybe I wouldn't, you know, like maybe I wouldn't go into adulthood with that sense of, or education about nutrition as I, as I would otherwise. So I kind of like, obviously, and I think another way I think about it is if I were to always be very down about having diabetes, it would really, really affect me mentally. And so I kind of have to always look on the positive side. And I think I get that from my dad, but, um, it just kind of helps overall moving forward of how I live my life. I like, I like that you're so positive, but it also makes me just wonder, cause I, so I'm a person who like struggles with anxiety and depression and just all, and I was diagnosed in the fourth grade, but I was nine, I think. So around the same time as you. Um, so have you always just been super positive or like, do you also have those low moments and just the positivity gets you out of it? Or how do you deal with the bad feelings? Yeah. Um, probably once a month I break down and cry for like a whole day. I definitely do. Um, I think I, which who knows if it's like also the healthiest thing, but I tend to just kind of like push it, push it away and focus on other things. And then And I will definitely have those days where, you know, maybe I go to the pharmacy and pick up insulin that was super expensive or have to deal with insurance through marketplace and working for myself and how half of my supplies aren't covered. And, you know, like all of these different things. And it feels like the world is just beating you down at every turn. And I just definitely have the moments where I'm like, well, why me? So I don't I I know that like sometimes it's annoying when people are just always positive all the time. And I definitely have those days and weeks where it gets draining. I think having this blog honestly helps me try to think of it a little more positively because I'm kind of like, oh, I can make content for this and always this. And maybe I wouldn't normally be thinking about how in depth that I'm preparing to go to a music festival. But like being able to share that with people and someone saying to me like, wow, this is really helpful. Or, oh, my gosh, like I'm going to that festival. Are you going to it next year? Even if that's like not really diabetes related. But if I met them or if, you know, I interact with them because they have diabetes on this. It's like those tiny moments that will always make me feel like kind of a little better to be so connected to everybody. So I definitely think posting about diabetes and the frustrations can totally help feeling like I am the only person going through this and I feel so, you know, terrible. Alone. Yeah. I also deal with anxiety a lot. I don't really talk about it because I think like a, like I used to go to therapy for anxiety, wasn't necessarily diabetes related, but, and I've, I've kind of had like this weird food anxiety or like eating in front of people anxiety that I've kind of had forever, but I've never really talked to anybody about, or like thought about it so much to even put it into words. But I feel like it's definitely something that's so much easier to live with with diabetes and just kind of being worried about everything because I am even though that I don't share it me too it's okay my dad has nicknames for all of us in the family and I'm Mrs. Worry that's literally my nickname because I worry about everything all the time and I'm sure it bothers Rob sometimes I'll just text him something randomly and be like this random thought about diabetics doing things and Rob is like it is seven o'clock on a Tuesday morning. What is wrong with you? So no, yeah, stop it. Stop it. Eritrea. You're about to run people smoke for no reason, but it's just, I think that when you have to always be planning ahead, cause like I'm always planning for low Eritrea and I'm always planning for higher Eritrea and I'm always planning for like diabetes moments. So I can't stop life moments also. And then I worry about those. So I totally understand where you're coming from the not eating in front of people thing. I used to have that. And my therapist says it's really common amongst girls with type 1 diabetes. Like it's a big, yeah. So I used to, I used to not eat on my dates. Like if I went on a date with a guy, I wouldn't eat in front of them. It was really weird. I don't know why I did that. Not weird. Not weird. I used to, I used to, I feel like I'm a weirdo, but yeah, no, I used to not be able to eat. Well, I could, so I've never, I think that's another thing. I've never not been able to not do anything. I just will get very, cause I feel like I have to do everything. And I want to be able to do everything because I, it'll like seem like I'm limiting myself and I don't like the fact that I won't be able to do something, whatever. So in elementary school, I would prefer to eat in the nurse's office because I was allowed to, but because being in that setting of everyone eating next to me and we're all eating together. And I, I need to like, I think with diabetics is because we have to basically eat a certain amount, especially if we gave insulin beforehand. So now we're being forced to eat like that. And then my anxiety will be like, well, what if you don't feel well? What if you feel nauseous? Ooh, I'm going to make you feel nauseous. Ooh, then you don't want to eat that. Look at all these people around you. They're having a normal time. You got to act normal. So.

[00:44:11] Rob Howe: Well, I think too, I think it's really important to just normalize. It's kind of like what you talked about. Like when you post things on social media, you feel like you're the only one. And then other people come in like, no, me too, me too, me too. And same thing with anxiety and depression. It's like, those are really normal human emotions, especially living today and especially living with a chronic illness. And I think one of the things that's very difficult and, you know, through my, you know, multiple years of whatever meditation and therapy over the last few years of like really understanding the value of being present. Diabetes makes it really hard to be present because you're either always thinking about the future, planning ahead, where you're thinking about the past and you're judging yourself for it. If you're like correcting a high or a low and you feel bad or you're embarrassed, like if you're in a yoga class or something and you got to step out to like chug a juice box or, you know, whatever insert, you know, awkward diabetes scenario here that makes you feel bad. Um, it's hard to be present in those situations. And for me sometimes too, like even the data overload or notification overload, uh, you know, combined with social media and all the things that like regular people deal with people with diabetes are more likely to be anxious, like by science, add all the extra devices and all the extra like headspace that it requires. And you're even more likely to. So I don't know. I think it's important to talk about, especially these days where, you know, mental health is much more in the conversation, like nationally and, you know, via the internet and some awesome, you know, athletes and leaders talking about anxiety, talking about depression,

[00:45:38] Ariana Frayer: talking about therapy, which is really great. Television shows there, even there, um, Ted Lasso, if you don't watch Ted Lasso shameless plug watch that show because honestly like it's it's so good for it to be normalized because like if you even if you think about it all diabetics non-diabetics were if you have anything to do with this disease you on some level live with anxiety the parent of a diabetic I've always asked myself how do you sleep how do those people sleep you know what I mean or what how our parents put us to bed Ariana at 10 years old and be like well let me I know my mom was poking my finger at three in the morning. You know, it's like that level of anxiety where you're so unsure of what might happen just because this is a disease that I don't want to say is moody, but she get on my nerves. I'd be wanting to fight. I'd be wanting to fight. Well, you talk about how you're worrying all the time. Um, I can't even think about having a, like, I think about having a kid, just having a normal kid, you know, or a kid without diabetes that is just born. I'm going to be like, please live through the night. How do people, how do parents even sleep at night? Worrying about what does something happen to them? Do you trust people who to take your kid in their car? I wouldn't even trust myself driving a kid. I can't even imagine. These are the things I think about all the time. I can't even imagine what it's going to be like if my kid ends up having diabetes. It's tough, but some people do it. Sarah Gallo's episode and they excel. Like they kill it. They don't just have one. They have two. They, she works in diabetes her husband has diabetes like there are people like i don't know heroes man you know the things that we're talking about right now ariana if they're meant for us we'll do them and we'll kill it at it like once we're there something about being a parent i from what all these episodes have taught me is that these people just operate on this is what i have to do for the kid that i love and it's it just becomes a priority and the focus so yeah we're anxious about it but i know Our greatest fear is lie in anticipation. Robin, this quote, I'm out here. I'm out here with the quotes. We did talk about, um, in my last YouTube video, I interviewed my fiance, um, with different questions that people who follow me submitted. And one of them was like, are you nervous for having a child with diabetes that ends up developing diabetes? And, um, my answer was, you know, I, I feel like, of course I, I wouldn't, wouldn't want that on any kid, But if, if my kid ended up having diabetes, I feel like I'm very well equipped at handling it. I know a lot more than maybe someone who's a non type 1 diabetic does. And if anything, I'll make them feel less alone. And I feel like that would be important.

[00:48:13] Rob Howe: Yeah. What a cool advantage that that person would have, you know? Yeah.

[00:48:18] Ariana Frayer: It's like being bored to LeBron James and you want to play basketball. You got diabetes and your mom's got it.

[00:48:22] Eritrea: Like it's the same, it's the same parallel. I'm drawing it. I don't care.

[00:48:26] Rob Howe: You are the, you are the LeBron James of low carb cocktails for sure. That's maybe that's how we'll introduce you on this episode. So we've talked a lot about like diabetes community and like, and how we view diabetes and all the things that we talk about. Like when you think of in the last like three years, since you've been sharing your story, like, what do you think of the most like rewarding questions or interactions that like pop to the top of your head?

[00:48:47] Ariana Frayer: Well, the ones that always like will get me is when, you know, people will DM me and say, you know you have allowed me or like you've allowed me to feel confident and accepted in posting about my disease on the internet and like that in itself or feel you know the way that you show off your diabetes makes me feel so confident about it and showing off mine and that in itself I'm like, me? Thank you. Like I, three years ago, I didn't post anything on, on social media with that had to do with my diabetes because I was the same way. I was like, who wants to see this? I don't, I don't think anybody who follows me originally wants to. And it's incredible that I will get people who I went to college with or who I've known for years. And those were the people, the non-diabetics who are following me and they all still follow me and they're like I have learned so much about diabetes from you and what I what I really enjoy and what's actually really important to me with my social media is making sure that the type 1 diabetics feel comfortable and like feel like I'm one like they're enjoying what I'm saying about my diabetes that they can relate to they can relate to me. And two, that I get to educate those who don't have type 1 diabetes that I've met through all walks of life that have just been following me for a long time. So I love that mix. Also with a really rewarding part is the friendships. True. Like Kendall, the sweet librarian, just, uh, she was just at my engagement party and, you know, Kira from balance and bolus. They, they both made it out here a few years ago. I always saw the Jonas brothers together and it's just like really cool. I mean, I've, I've only been on a slightly short amount of time compared to the rest of the community. And like, I, I'd hope that maybe I get to go to a conference or something or like maybe an even bigger meetup. Like I would love to meet you guys in person finally. And just when, when travel is, you know, a lot more and everyone's back doing like diabetes, fun travel meetups and stuff that would be really cool.

[00:51:08] Rob Howe: Yeah. I'm looking forward to that too.

[00:51:10] Ariana Frayer: She did a collab with Kendall. I actually have a bunch of your stuff, Arianna. I'm a loser. I'm kind of your fan. Anyway, I have like your look. Yeah. You have like this really cute Lowe's sweater and I actually wore it to Target two weekends ago. And this girl or this girl and her mom, they were like, do you have diabetes? I had a pump on it on my pump on it. And I was like, yeah. And she was just like, I love your sweater. And I was like, yeah, it's about low blood sugar. You can get it online. I've told her where to get it. But like, it's so cute. She's right. Like the things that you're making with your friends are like, they have an impact and they're cute.

[00:51:40] Rob Howe: and I'll wear them. So yeah, like, this is such an important thing to me. This is so, I just have to like say this, like you can make cute diabetes stuff and like, say it again. Like, yeah. Let me just repeat. Like you can make sick diabetes stuff. Like there's like, so, and like, it doesn't have to be terrible. It does not have to be whack. Like diabetes, diabetes can be so cool. Yes. And my thing was the reason why I also started making things,

[00:52:11] Ariana Frayer: which I'm sure that you totally relate to because you also have cool diabetes merch is that I never related to any of the diabetes merch online. Same. They were all so childish. That's, and that's the same reason why I designed the pastel pack from skin grip, because I don't like patches with basketballs or snowflakes on it because I it's totally fine if you like that it's just not my style and I just wanted to make things that were subtle yet impactful so if you see me wearing a rock-on finger prick tea in the wild you're gonna see oh my gosh is that a blood drop on the finger wow are you a type 1 diabetic and boom but to anybody else they're like cool

[00:52:53] Rob Howe: rock on who cares exactly like and and i do want to like make sure because you i i was like man when i first came on the scene i was a little bit brash and i was younger i was having the time but like i was like the the greatest thing about diabetes now is that you get to grow up you get it as a kid and you get to live your life as an adult and i'm sorry if the what i was into when i was young is not the same as what i've been to now and i just thought that there was like a huge need for that. And when you were talking about, you know, your friends that don't have diabetes, that just know you and have like known you throughout your life, I remembered, and you were talking about merch and you were talking about cup of OJ. And I remembered when I launched my hoodies for the first time, which has been four years, like this month, which is crazy, first of all. But, um, you know, the first four people who bought hoodies were, they were just my friends, like my, my close friends, like, and one, one, one of my homies, like, he doesn't talk in the group text like hardly at all he's like big mr business like big he's been like crushing it since 23 like number one president's club sales guy whatever shout out brent jones but he he dropped the link he goes i just bought one of these he was the first order and and i was like man like you know you never know who's out there watching or wants to support or wants to like you know you know be a part of your life with diabetes even if they don't have it and i think that's just i don't know an important thing but you got to make fire merch too like that's if you're an artist you're a designer and you got a vision like pull that shit together

[00:54:19] Ariana Frayer: yeah i have some artist questions so you open so you have had cup of oj for a while it's a small shop that you've kind of handled but and i again i'm a fan so you recently took cup of oj from where you had it on the platform you had it and brought it all in-house and now you are full-time Ariana Frayer cup of OJ lady how is that tell me give me the tea okay so last year so the way I kind of transitioned into even starting my shop was coronavirus happened um I got laid off of my job and well at first I was just furloughed and so I'm like cool I have like we're just inside you know, I haven't worked on art for a really long time. Let me start painting again and, you know, doing some commissions and things like that just to make some money during this time and just, you know, kind of keep myself busy really. So I started that and I had always wanted to launch, um, cool diabetes merch anyways. And so I found a platform that I could do that. It was like one of those, they would handle everything. And all I had to do is, you know, upload my design basically. And I made like minimal money off of that. It really wasn't sustainable. And so many of the orders, one took forever to ship out and two almost always had an error. Like one time I had somebody get an order from me that was supposed to be one of my cute pouches and they got a pouch with a, uh, marijuana leaf on it. And it was like this, this very sweet, you know, woman from like the Midwest. And I'm like, this is not what she wanted. And I had to, you know, deal with that. So she wanted a cup of OJ. She got the devil's lettuce. Yeah. So it was like from a zero to a hundred real quick. Um, so I was kind of like, I don't want to do this anymore. Um, I ended up finally getting let go. And I was kind of like, I don't like working in the corporate world. I really hope I don't ever have to do that again. And I knew I wanted to do something. So I'm like, why don't I actually jump in and bring everything in house? So I found a company locally who can, you know, print and I can just go pick everything up. They have, they've been so wonderful, like printing so I get everything printed locally and made locally and um put my whole website website up on Shopify and like got to create everything and I just I wanted to be the one that shipped things out I wanted to be the one that totally did everything so I am now like my artist I am now my, you know, like person, I do sales and I do the invoices and I do everything and I got a business license and I am a LLC company. And so it's been, it's been a big learning curve, but it's been really fun being an official business owner of Cup of OJ Creative. And yeah, I just, I hope I can continue to expand it. And I, all my, all my shipping supplies right now, I are eco-friendly, except maybe sometimes I'll put in some bubble wrap. I'm so sorry. I'll figure it out. But I'm just, you know, trying to expand my shop and working as a little small business

[00:57:59] Rob Howe: and going from there. That's so cool. Love me some small business stories. Cause they're all like, it's all like, this is my favorite thing ever. Also. I hate like this, like I'm pulling my hair out because I'm doing all this work and it's just so much, it's so much to think about. And

[00:58:13] Ariana Frayer: it's so much fun luckily i've had all like amazing customers so far i'm just like if i ever continue to expand i'll probably get some mean emails or something of like those if you made

[00:58:25] Rob Howe: it if you made it through the lady in the midwest getting the the marijuana bag then i think you're

[00:58:29] Ariana Frayer: probably going to be okay yeah that's true it sounds like you're gonna be straight have you always been an artist like since you were a little kid you like to like draw and sketch and paint like that's your thing or is it like clothes like fashion like what what's the artist in you like where where's that come from oh my gosh um my grandpa I used to go painting with my grandfather when I was little it was like what bonded us uh he was a incredible watercolor artist so I had painted with him since I was about like six or seven and I started taking art classes from age seven to 14 um and it was my passion I almost went to like a the high school here that specialized and art I got in but then I was like I don't want to drive that far to high school so I'm just gonna go to the closer one we have magnet schools here so that's how I was able to should have done that and then um I I think like I ended up going to film school for college and I absolutely love film and movies and just like kind of the storytelling aspect of behind it um and like loved my screenwriting classes whatever and just kind of I took a bunch of art classes in college too and kind of just thought to myself like well I can't have a job in art so maybe I'll you know move to LA or whatever and be a be a screenwriter and um yeah then I moved back and marketing kind of took over my life a little bit and I entered the corporate world and kind of lost touch with some art but every time I you know a friend has a birthday or anything I make them I probably have made all of my friends paintings of their animals or like favorite things and so I'm just trying to get more into that as well I was gonna say thank you for sharing that about your grandpa that's really sweet that like I teared up a little bit I was just like wow what a connection I wonder if like art just like it grounds you and brings you back to like that little girl or the person that you know you really are it's also interesting to me that you try to go all these avenues and somehow the planet the universe higher power whatever you believe in was like no girl like you're an artist and that's what I want you to do. Yeah. I love that. Thanks. So cool. Well, Ariana,

[01:00:43] Rob Howe: thank you so much for spending some time with us today and for spilling some tea in the, in the intro with us. That was just the best like ever warmup for a podcast interview you could ever have. So thank you so much. Obviously we're going to continue to plug you on like the episode and the show notes and plug a cup of OJ creative and also your skin grip collab. So yeah, thanks for being a cool diabetes creator and for coming and spending some time with us today and, uh, and being on diabetics doing things. And also thanks for the great low carb cocktail recipes from last year. I think we got some more coming this year, if I'm not mistaken.

[01:01:15] Ariana Frayer: Yeah, you definitely do. Thank you guys so much for having me. I'm, uh, I'm on Instagram at Ariana Frayer and I'm also on Tik TOK. I have a, I have a way bigger audience on Tik TOK. Let me find, let me find out. Yeah. Yeah. I had a couple, uh, um, uh, themed party costumes, go viral. So I post a lot of way better diabetes, tick tocks on there than I do Instagram. So is it Ariana Frayer or cup of OJ? Ariana Frayer. Okay. Awesome. I will follow and shop cup of OJ.com, you know, all day.