Diabetics Doing CBD

[00:00:07] Rob Howe: Welcome to the Diabetics Doing Things podcast. We've been telling the amazing stories of type 1 diabetics all across the world since 2015, and we have over a thousand years of living with T1D on the podcast. The interviews range from incredible feats to everyday victories, and we celebrate them all just the same. Thanks for listening, and if you want to get involved even further, just send me an email at rob at diabeticsdoingthings.com. What's up, everybody? Rob Howe here. Okay, so I want to give you a little background on this episode, because it's different. And I want to get into it before we go into the ads and the interviews. So if you listen to this podcast, you're in the top percentage of people seeking knowledge and inspiration related to diabetes, health, fitness, lifestyle, etc. Which means that you've probably come across CBD in your internet wanderings. CBD, or cannabidiol, is a naturally occurring cannabinoid, which means it comes from cannabis, namely hemp. Which means it doesn't carry THC, the primary psychoactive ingredient in marijuana and marijuana products. There are CBD products which contain THC, but for the sake of this episode, we're discussing CBD exclusively. CBD is having its moment. There are countless companies sprouting up offering a bevy of CBD products from CBD coconut oil to CBD topical athletic rubs to CBD oral pills, all offering a slew of benefits to taking CBD. I am typically skeptical of any supplements which claim such a wide variety of benefits and side effects, but I was very curious about CBD and its link to pain management specifically. and then I saw some cases claiming to impact fasting blood sugars for people with diabetes. So naturally, it was of great interest to me. So I decided to try it for myself to give you my totally unbiased report. I reached out to a company to sponsor my CBD journey, and my results in this episode are from that experiment. Then I recruited my T1D friends from Instagram to talk about their experiences with CBD and talk about how the benefits vary and attempt to reduce some of the negative stigma around CBD. These are a wide-ranging people, some you'll be very familiar with, and some that you'll be meeting for the first time. So sit back and enjoy these quick interviews with some new and some very familiar faces as we attempt to demystify CBD. This episode is brought to you by Green Helix CBD. With so many CBD companies out there, my head was spinning trying to decide which products to try. They made it super easy, and I love their branding and design. I sampled their super pure full spectrum CBD pills as well as their pain recovery capsules, and they were a great introduction to me on what to expect from a CBD supplement. I had never taken CBD before, so it was really just starting from square one with me. I found out that after taking them regularly, I experienced better sleep and easier wake-ups, which is super important to me because I sleep really deep and I wanted to wake up earlier in the mornings, and I also got a reduction in soreness after workouts and just general relief from my chronic pain that I deal with from my years playing basketball. They have a host of other products, including vaporizers, body oils, and tinctures. Those are the little liquid bottles with the dropper. So be sure to check them out at greenhelix.com and use code ROBHOW at checkout for a discount. That's my name, Rob Howe, all one word, at checkout for the discount. All right, let's get back to the episodes so we can hear those interviews. What you're about to hear are eight short interviews with various members of the T1D community that I reached out to via Instagram. some who you've heard from before, others who may be new to you. So I'm really looking forward to you getting to know a little bit of this insider perspective from T1Ds you know on CBD. I'm going to ask them why they sought out CBD initially and what their results were and what they learned from it. So without further ado, let's kick it off. My first interview is with Mitch Green, and he's a super important part of the Diabetics Doing Things podcast. He has helped me edit and helped me published almost 50 episodes in the last year. So without him, you would literally not hear as many podcasts as you've heard. He's Mitch Verde on Instagram, and I'm really looking forward to you guys getting to know him just a little bit better. My name is Mitch Green. And what do you want me to say, man? You know what? A lot of people don't know this, but Mitch edits probably over half of the Diabetics Doing Things podcast. So Mitch is behind the scenes rock star for the pod and is a super great guy. So, you know, and you've been type 1 for how long? Going on four years in February, so a little over three and a half. A little over three and a half years. So off on the right track. So Mitch, today we're talking about CBD. You are a user of CBD and have used it in the past and up to this point. Um, what made you decide to start evaluating it as a, as a treatment? Well, um, I have had a couple of friends who were users of CBD and I was talking to them about some of my sleeping issues, some slight anxiety issues, and I didn't really want to go the whole doctor route yet. I wanted to see if there was something that I could do before I did that. and that's really the whole reason why I went and checked it out to begin with. Nice, yeah. You know, I think it's funny how like the word of mouth spreads and it's interesting how, you know, the recommendation of something like this from the right person kind of makes all the difference. So for you, what were the issues? You mentioned sleep. What were the primary issues that you were having? um basically just kind of having a busy mind when i was wanting to go to bed um you know laying there thinking about all the things that um during the day what do i need to do tomorrow i just wanted to kind of uh have a calming effect you know i'm uh i'm a tea guy too so i was drinking some chamomile tea wasn't really doing it for me so i wanted something you know a little bit stronger i guess So that's really why I went and checked it out. Between that and I had also done some research myself, and I wanted something also for pain management because I was trying to get away from pills like ibuprofen and definitely more of a plants over pills kind of guy. So that's really what got my interest going. Yeah, I was very similar. During my basketball career, I used to take probably four Advil a day towards the end of it or at a time. four Advil at a time rather a couple times a day. And, uh, just thinking back to that, like in the damage that that did to my gut, uh, I just thought it makes me cringe. So, uh, so what did you, uh, what did you find? What did you start, uh, using or taking and, uh, and then what, what did you find were the results? Yeah. So I started off with just a CBD oil. Um, basically it comes, uh, in a glass vial, I guess you could say with a little dropper on the top You just take about a little half of that tube, I guess, that sticks in there and basically put it underneath your tongue. And it actually works pretty quickly, I would say, as far as the calming effects and resting that mind, like I was mentioning earlier. I've also used CBD edibles, which are basically just essentially candies that they're put into. do. I would say that the candies are more for like keeping you asleep because the way the body processes them, it's going to take a little bit longer for them to digest and do their thing. But yeah, so I started doing that. Definitely helped me get to bed at night. Also helped me stay asleep and have full night's rest. I say between that and the 670G has been a really big help. Um, and yeah, so that's really my experience. Yeah. And that's great. I think, uh, you know, what's interesting to me is that of all the people that I've talked to about CBD from a diabetes perspective or people from the community, uh, everybody's been curious and has one reason or another that they take it. Did you see, did you find any, uh, diabetes related, benefits. I'm not trying, if you didn't, that's okay. I'm not trying to put you on the spot, but totally. So I, you know, whenever I go low, like extreme lows, I guess you could say, I always find myself having like a low hangover. Yeah. Very, very, totally relatable. Yeah. It kind of throws you off for a few hours or maybe the rest of the day. And if that happens in the morning. That's no good. And, you know, I could eat a little bit of CBD and that would basically equalize, you know, my body and I would feel better. It just kind of takes that away. So basically, I don't know if that's like a pain thing or what, but I guess piggybacking off of that, I had a pretty bad neck injury. And like I said, I wanted to stay away from that ibuprofen. And I took that and I could legitimately feel a difference after taking the CBD, like no pain whatsoever. And then I could totally tell when it wore off because that pain came right back. So it was pretty cool to, you know, be able to see that actually working. That's great. Yeah, I had a friend explain to me because I have a similar experience, not necessarily with Lowe's, but I'm a very hard sleeper. and taking CBD at night helps me wake up easier in the morning. And I couldn't really explain. I was trying to articulate it to a friend of mine. He's like, oh, yeah, it's just a balancer. It just helps, you know, keeps you from the extremes. And so I thought, you know, when you mentioned that about your lows, which I experienced as well, it's almost like sleeping in too late when you wake, when you get one of those lows treated. Like you just feel super off for the next few hours. So it's really interesting. Well, man, thanks for sharing. and any particular types or brands of products that you've used? Right here, I'm called Infused Edibles. I'm in Birmingham, Alabama, and we have a store called the CBD Store, and they carry one brand. I'm not quite sure. Let's see here. Oh, it's SunMed CBD Products. So I know this place is out of Florida. I'm not really sure how far they're shipping their products. Sure. experience I've had with them is top quality. Yeah. I think, uh, you know, with CBD being, uh, you know, legalized across the U S there's a lot of local options that I think people look at. Uh, and I'm also going to plug a green helix, which is what I use a cool brand out of California. The branding is super, super legit. So, uh, of course I have to love, I like it because of the, you know, the branding, but also the products are great. So, uh, cool. Well, Mitch, um, Thank you for your time, man. Thanks for kind of taking us in behind the scenes. And, you know, thanks. If you want to plug yourself, this is your chance. Yeah, man. Find me on Instagram, guys, at Mitch Verde. I'm always on there. So send me a friend request and I'll be sure to get back to you. I'd love to meet new T1Ds. Someone that you're likely very familiar with and a good friend of mine, Libby Russell from I Have the Sugars and the Sugar Shop on Instagram. today in New York to talk to us about CBD. Take a look. Yes, it's great to be back. Yeah, great to be back in the Diabetics Doing Things Forum, in the hot seat. In the hot seat. Great. Well, as you know, we're talking about CBD today. Yes. For everybody out there listening, what made you kind of go down the path of trying out CBD for maybe the first time or just using it as it, like integrating it into your health wellness diet journey? Yeah. So a couple of years ago, I started experiencing anxiety in forms that were very foreign to me. So as opposed to just feeling nervous or on edge, I was starting to get like the physical effects of anxiety. So whether it was like my chest was getting really tight or I I would get really stiff in my neck or even just like lower back pain. And I kept thinking like I am too young to be feeling physically ill. Like this is not good. So I went to therapy for a year and I did a lot of other changes to try and improve how I was feeling. But as a very, I don't know, living in New York City, it's a very cannabis friendly place in all shapes and forms. and have definitely had open minds to the various health benefits that it provides. Even my grandfather was on medicinal marijuana for a little while when he was old and in pain, and we've really seen that when you open your mind to what this plant that's been around for thousands of years can offer. It's a pretty compelling argument. So I was doing some research on CBD. It's starting to pop up everywhere. In Brooklyn, it's in coffee shops. It's in cocktails. It's all over the place, and it's becoming completely normalized. It's in teas. So I figured I would just give it a shot and see how I felt. And I'm a really, like, taste of it. I'm, like, very sensitive to weird taste. So I decided to try the vaporizer first to see how that would work for me. And it was amazing. I don't know if that fully answered the question, but that was sort of like my avenue to getting to trying it for the first time. Well, and I think it is interesting because CBD really is having its moment. I think definitely in big cities like New York and L.A. Los Angeles, yeah. Like very much like in coffee shops and juice bars and treats and, you know, whole food bars, you know, it's everywhere. Everywhere. In Dallas, we have a couple shops and there's a juice bar and a coffee shop specifically that has a couple CBD items on the menu. But it's interesting because I think like what you're talking about taste wise, it does have a little bit of a planty sometimes like if you're picky taste, maybe like a cannabis type flavor. If it's not in a flavored bar or not kind of masked by something else. So, yeah, I think like the vaporizer. I also have one that I tried more recently and yeah, it doesn't have any flavor and it's just a quick, easy, you know, burst, especially I found when traveling. It was a nice kind of grounding effect before I got on the plane, which can sometimes stress me out. Yeah. And I know and people are probably thinking of vaporizer, like both are also like too similar to smoking or it's the way that people are now smoking other things like cigarettes. And the one that I use is literally just essential oils and vaporized CBD. So it's like no smoke or anything crazy like that. It has like, let's see, I'm looking at the exact ingredients. Eucalyptus, thyme, myrrh, and actually, no, wait, that was another one. But this other one I had had peppermint oil in it. So it's pretty amazing. And I want to talk a little bit to what you mentioned earlier about addressing the stigma. Obviously, you interact with the diabetes community on Instagram and with your shop and your blog very regularly. And I think initially when we talked about this, this was an important issue for you because you want to address the stigma for people with diabetes who may have some sort of preconceived notions about any sort of cannabis product. Yeah, I definitely had a moment of like, am I going to be judged if I come in public about using this product? But, you know, I've noticed over the past few years, like, I'm very open about it in my household. My parents are really open about it. So that like helps with sort of the stigma. But, you know, it's no different to me than talking about enjoying a glass of wine or a cocktail or even like some of these crazy supplements. that people are taking are even less proven to have positive health effects and they have no problem flinging those products all over Instagram. So I think for me, like, you know exactly what you're getting. And even though it's not federally regulated because it is a derivative of cannabis, it is fully, fully legal. And it's, you know, athletes use it for recovery. You know, So entrepreneurs use it to help them focus and with jitters. And I just think for me personally, with like, especially my chest anxiety, like it makes, like when work is really stressful and I'm running from thing to thing and I don't have a time to ground myself, like it really helps me breathe. It helps me, my chest is enough. You know, it's really, there's nothing to be stigmatized. I'm not like, my mental state isn't being altered. It's not like actual marijuana where you are high or stoned or whatever you want to call it. It's just a physical release. Yeah. And I think for me, too, on the stigma side, like anytime I see something like CBD, which has so many side effects or claims to treat so many different things, I'm always a little bit skeptical. Yeah. But what's been amazing to me and almost like mind blowing is how effective it's been for whatever use it says it's applied for. So it's a topical use for, you mentioned athletes, like I've used every kind of icy hot, every type of ibuprofen. And, you know, I did walk around with a lot of chronic pain in this big beat up body that I have. And, you know, from the first like application on just like sore muscles or sore joints, I was so like blown away by the results of the lack of pain and like increased mobility. and same thing with my sleep and just like general kind of I take a full spectrum just once a day type uh type pill that I really enjoy just helps me be more relaxed helps me be easier to get along with and that's good for everyone yes that's good for everyone it really it's it's amazing too because it that's why I had my doubts at first I was like how can it like make my knee feel better and help me sleep and help me whatever without it altering my mental state. Like for me, a glass of wine also does that because it alters my mental state because it takes my mind off of it and it, you know, gives you that whatever it is when you are tipsy or buzzed. But like this literally does nothing to your psychological makeup. it's crazy to me that it really is like a one size fits all remedy for certain things it is, it's cool and I would encourage all people to try it but I think especially people who are skeptical and especially people who are really smart and who really are mindful of what they put in their body I think it leaves opportunity to be surprised I was a big skeptic of all the claims and I have been pleasantly surprised honestly especially with pain i think those topical equipments like the Tiger Balm replacements it's it's uncanny how effective they are like instantly when you put it on you feel that little like tingle it's warm um i just i can't imagine a world where that's not going to catch on with some of the most like elite physical people um i also just think like from a diabetes perspective Like a lot of us carry a lot of anxieties around all the time and our brains are really busy because we're trying to manually operate an organ while being functioning adults. And, you know, I'm really forgetful and really spacey sometimes. And a lot of it is because so much of my mental energy is dedicated to, you know, what my blood sugar is and did I remember everything? And this really, the grounding element of it is so real. Like, especially, I know this is going to sound really bad because it sounds like I'm advocating for smoking. But when I have my vaporizer, if I take a minute to, like, just walk outside, take a deep breath, it's just the whole act and ritual of it totally brings me back down to this earth. And it's kind of like the same as, like, when I diffuse essential oil. It's virtually the same experience, but it's on the go, which I think in this crazy hustle-bustle life that so many of us live is massively helpful. Yeah, and I think just taking time out of your day, out of your life to do something that helps you and is good for you can't overstate the importance of that. Yeah, absolutely. And it can be scary at first because, you know, it is a pretty uncharted territory. And the fact that it's suddenly so popular and that it can be in so many forms, like, you know, I was at a bar the other night and there was a whole menu of just CBD-based cocktails. And I was like, is this overkill? But I'm afraid that that will relax me too much. Tequila and CBD in one swig. But I don't know. I think it's really interesting. It's really catching on. It is. And it's like marketing people, as you know, can take something and run all the way to the finish line with it. Oh, absolutely. You should see how cute my vaporizer's packaging is. Yeah, I love the branding. My Green Helix stuff that I use, the branding is so cool. And it sold me. absolutely um well libby thank you so much for taking time out of your day to talk about this um and i uh you know we're doing this a little bit of research for you know for everybody who can you know help address those questions that they have about cbd and um your voice is super important to that so thank you thank you someone that i actually had the pleasure of meeting in person last month when I was in Chicago, Paulius Podziunas. Paulius is my guy, my go-to guy for anything diabetes related to stoicism, anything related to Brazilian jiu-jitsu. He's just a wealth of knowledge and he and I have a lot in common. So I'm really excited for you to listen to his pitch on CBD and also learn about a little special project he's working on within the CBD space. So But without further ado, Paulius Podziunas.

[00:23:39] Paulius Podziunas: All right. So my name is Paulius or Paul. I've been a type 1 diabetic for eight years. I got diagnosed in 2010. It was very uncommon because I'm from Eastern Europe. And I've been using CBD and hemp products for the last seven, eight years as well.

[00:23:58] Rob Howe: And you've also been on the podcast before. You were episode 90. So I don't remember which one. But yeah, yeah.

[00:24:04] Paulius Podziunas: That was my first exposure to diabetes community.

[00:24:07] Rob Howe: So, if you want deeper into Paulius' psyche and life, that's a really good episode, one of my favorites, actually. So, you've been using CBD. What kind of caused you to start doing the research? Obviously, you and I have even had conversations of CBD having its moment. What were the driving factors to lead you to look into it?

[00:24:29] Paulius Podziunas: Well, obviously, just coming from the cannabis side, I've used cannabis recreationally and medicinally. But I think two years in after my diabetic diagnosis, I had a very big issue with lights being sensitive at night. And I started using just regular creams because, I mean, it goes right through your skin. I started using creams and it definitely made the differences. And then obviously we got into the whole vape, which just started popping up about three years ago. So I was doing a few vapes. I forgot what brands exactly, but I just noticed a big difference, I think, because the whole issue driving at night. I mean, I'm a human. I have to get to places. So it was basically because of my eyes.

[00:25:12] Rob Howe: Yeah, and I think it's interesting, people with diabetes especially, because one thing or another drives them to CBD, but it's not always diabetes-related. In your case, eyesight, looking at topical creams. In my case, it was like pain management. So what other benefits have you seen, you know, having experimented with it over the years?

[00:25:32] Paulius Podziunas: Well, when I started jiu-jitsu, I was about 20 years old. So I was just running on testosterone every single day like crazy. But two years or three years in, you can't really sustain that same training. And I've noticed that I had like tennis elbow, just basic injuries. Since I'm really tall, I mean, I'm 6'1", but since I'm built like very lengthy, I've had back issues as well. And I started using CBD supplements, like right before training, after training, putting it on my elbows and just putting it on like basically pain management overall.

[00:26:02] Rob Howe: So, yeah, and I think I've done the same. You know, I'm also a tall guy and just, you know, wear and tear and not having the testosterone to like mask the recovery and the pain and all that. I think it's definitely helps ease some of that. You know, right now, another thing that you see a lot is, you know, CBD is a cure-all. and it seems like everybody has different responses to different treatments. What would you say to someone who's looking at evaluating it and experimenting with it as a supplement?

[00:26:36] Paulius Podziunas: I think you've just got to ask yourself, what are you going to use it for? Because obviously there's creams, there's the vaporizers. I know that a lot of people actually, personal friends that came off vaping, what do you call nicotine? You know, there was a stage smoking cigarettes and vaping, and they just started because it's a habit. So they just started vaping CBD and I guess it lowered their anxiety. But at the same time, it made them forget about nicotine. But I guess the whole reason if you've got to go into a CBD market, know what you're using it for. If it's for pain management, maybe you should stick with CBD oil. Maybe the cream will work better. Then there's also edibles that are getting very popular. So just knowing the reason before you even start something.

[00:27:19] Rob Howe: Yeah, I think that's just a good rule of thumb. in general for life, right? Doing things with intention and purpose. Did you see any diabetes related side effects or feedback or results from your CBD use? Yeah, so I had a huge issue with

[00:27:37] Paulius Podziunas: cortisol. I used to build up a lot of cortisol and I don't know if you guys are familiar with boxing, but boxing builds a lot of cortisol during the fights. That's why you want to bring out the emotions. And I had a huge problem if I didn't work out or if something happened in my shoulders used to get cramping up and that was because I was just exposed to high levels of cortisol but as soon as I started using CBD oil I think I started by 500 milligrams so doing like a few drops throughout the day I noticed a difference and then slowly I increased it to a thousand milligrams CBD oil and the new thousand milligrams was I think mixed with MCT medium chain triglycerides so just type of fat and I started noticing completely differences in my body, how it reacts. I haven't gotten my shoulders cramped up in a while and just digestive system

[00:28:28] Rob Howe: overall is just working way better as well. Yeah, it's interesting how cortisol was a big obstacle I had to overcome in my athletic career as well because I think culturally we're taught to get as hyped up and as amped up emotionally as possible, but as people with diabetes, it can cause a lot of problems with managing blood sugar. Yeah, yeah, totally agree. Cool. Well, Well, Paulyce, any other thoughts on CBD before you go? I know you have some CBD-related projects potentially. Anything you want to share regarding those?

[00:28:58] Paulius Podziunas: Yeah, I actually recorded it for your podcast. But I just launched a small startup. We're going to be developing. We're actually almost in the process of finishing the bar. I'm just testing it a few times. The startup is called CBD on Everything, LLC. Literally, that's what I'm going to start doing. But the low-carb bars are going to be about 10 grams of carbs. It's going to contain 20 milligrams of CBD. 20 milligrams of fat and then 20 milligrams or 20 grams of fat and then 20 grams of protein as well. So I'll be launching them early 2019, hopefully like January. That's my goal. So for all the diabetics listening to this, if you guys want to just DM me on Instagram, I'll send you a discount code. So once it comes out, you guys definitely are hooked up.

[00:29:43] Rob Howe: I love it. Paulie, thanks, man, for sharing the knowledge as always. and looking forward to hearing the feedback from this interview. Yeah, thanks for having me on. Our next guest is Whitney Lewis, also known as Happy Pancreas. She is a wealth of knowledge in the holistic medicine and homeopathic home treatments, treating with food, treating the gut. And I rely on her a lot on her Instagram just to get what's new, what's on the market, what's the new trends. And also she lives in California. So whatever's in her grocery store, I know will be in mine within like three to six months. So I try to get a head start on what's going on there. So Whitney dishes on CBD and her experience with it starting now. Or welcome back, I should say. Hey Rob, thanks for having me. Yeah, thanks for having me back. I'm excited. It's great to talk to you. So today we're talking CBD. and I know your Happy Pancreas account is just a wealth of knowledge, not only on just diet exercise, but just general holistic balance, gut health. So I'm super excited to talk CBD with you. Yeah, me too. I'm excited to share my experience thus far with it. Well, kind of walk me through how you started going down the sort of CBD journey of exploration. Um, I guess being in California, it's definitely something that's a bit more of the norm per se. If you would have mentioned CBD at all of any type to me, like, four years ago, before I moved to California, truthfully, I would have been like, probably anti and a bit of like a skeptic. I feel like naturally with anything, I approach things in a skeptic manner before I've tried it myself and before I've done some avid research on it. But with CBD, since it is very, very prevalent here, if you go to the farmer's market, it's advertised everywhere. I have friends that have used it pretty consistently. and it hasn't really been until recently until I've tried it personally. And a reason why I really wanted to try it personally was a girlfriend of mine who has struggled with severe anxiety decided to give it a try. She was a bit burnt out from how she felt from her medication that she was taking. She wasn't really feeling herself. and I feel like that's kind of a con of anything that we take medically, right? It sometimes can alter just the way we feel and we don't even really feel like ourselves. So she had been on this journey herself, taking it consistently morning and night and she's just somebody that I love and respect so deeply and her experience and her sharing it with me kind of like sparked this interest of, hmm, despite me not having or suffering from like debilitating anxiety, let me kind of look into this to see how it might support me. Like I do suffer from a little bit of anxiety. Sure. And on the, I guess, a total different topic kind of is just the inflammatory end of things, which I kind of focus on a bit with the happy pancreas. Just because with type 1 diabetes, you know, it is an inflammatory condition. So I'm always looking for ways to reduce inflammation and support my body. And CBD is one of those things that has anti-inflammatory properties. Well, and it's interesting, too, because a lot of the anti-inflammatory properties that they bill, and they, I mean, different CBD companies and listing the benefits, is specifically on the sports recovery side almost as well. Um, have you, and I know you're very active, um, in sort of like barbell style CrossFit, um, you know, multiple types of training. Um, have you seen any sort of benefits from the, you know, recovery aspect of that? Um, truthfully, I don't think I've really taken it. It's only been probably like a week and a half. I've consistently taken it. And so I guess it would be something that I'd have to say, let's do a follow call to figure out like the whole like recovery, like post, like, you know, workout. But as of right now, I wouldn't say that I've experienced any type of like, I guess, anti-inflammatory support yet. Right. And what about on the sort of just general balance? Yeah. What have you found? um I guess well it's kind of hard to say I mean inflammation is such like a you know it's not something that we off like something that we can really see right that's like right in front of us so it's kind of hard to like put these like I don't know hard like tangible like my inflammation went down yesterday because I've been taking um CBD so there could be something going on internally that I'm unaware of. But when it comes to inflammation, I guess, like for the gut, I feel like overall, like my gut has been feeling a bit better. I mean, I've dealt with gut problems for almost my whole entire life. And I continually deal with that. I have just very, very sensitive stomach. So I could say maybe it's helped with that. But the primary thing that I feel like I can say from taking it so far. It's just been in the mornings. I was talking to my husband this afternoon about it. I feel like most of my high stress or high anxiety moments tend to be as soon as I get off work, a lot of things just kind of flood over me of things to kind of complete before my day ends, essentially. So I think I'm going to try shifting my dosing essentially towards the evening because in the morning I actually start off pretty good. I don't really feel high stress or any type of anxiety. So I think I kind of want to switch to see if it really supports me in that way. But when I do take it, I do kind of just feel this sense of calm. I don't want to use the word heaviness, but this like heavy calm, this heavy calm that comes over me. Do you know what I'm trying to say though when you take it or no? Yeah, I think so. I mean, it's it's an interesting because it's not psychoactive at all and so it's an interesting yeah like for me i started taking it because of pain management primarily um and just to find kind of a balancer i had and i was discussing it with a friend who's not doesn't have type 1 diabetes so he's not on this podcast episode but he was talking about that it's just an equalizer so for me it makes waking up from deep sleep i sleep very deep uh and it makes waking up earlier easier just the transition from being very asleep to awake uh easier and i was like sort of mistook mistaking mistaking that feeling for better quality sleep but i think it was like just the last few minutes of this like easing into the day a little bit easier so yeah that like sort of uh edge softener i would say um so yeah i understand what you mean heavy is a good word but not necessarily like the desired response. It's like being wrapped in a blanket, but not trapped. Yeah. Oh, it's very cool. Well, I would love to, uh, continue to, you know, stay in touch and have a dialogue about CBD, uh, and maybe just do a full happy pancreas episode, because I'm sure you will, uh, experiment with baking and, uh, and mixing it with different, uh, you know, food aspects as I know is your total bag of tricks. So I'd love to, you know, continue the dialogue, but I think it's important to, you know, have the discussions for different people. And that's what I'm trying to do with this episode. So thanks so much for being willing to experiment with it in this short time, and then also to keep the dialogue going. Yeah, of course. Yeah. And I just like encourage anyone out there that's like thinking of it um to to give it a try if you have access to it and it's something that um has piqued your interest I'm definitely somebody that can be a bit like like I said initially like paranoid and a bit skeptic of like how is this gonna make me feel is this gonna like even with like my first like dose of it I have um Sunday Scaries actually sent me some gummies and it's weird because it feels like a candy and it's like a treat so like when on my first, I guess, essentially dose of the CBD, I ate three of them and the servings too. I just kind of mindlessly had three and, you know, I was about to start work and I just kind of felt a bit of anxiety, like, oh man, like, is this like really going to like distort like my day and like how I feel? So I think initially it's normal to feel a bit stressed and anxious when starting something new and also something that it may have some negative connotations behind it. But me being very, very highly sensitive to things and very reactive to things, I can confidently say that it's nothing to really go into with like fear or stress. You can start small and adjust accordingly and see how you feel mentally and physically and see if it will work for you. And I would echo that, I think, because I'm very similar, and I think I get it from my mom, who also cannot even be given any narcotics at the doctor because of her ridiculous sensitivity to it. Having participated in the psychoactive form of cannabis and knowing what it does to my brain and my ability to be productive or communicate or whatever the case is, I do not have any of those types of responses. And I think even when learning how your body responds to the dose, yeah, I would love to help alleviate any anxiety of taking it. And for the first time, I think it's not one of those like hits you like a sack of bricks. It's more of an easy sort of very, very approachable, you know, medicine to take. Totally. Yep. I 100% agree. Next guest I'm really excited about because she actually does this for a living. So Dr. Mariel Schofield is from California. She is a doctor of physical therapy, and she does a lot of really great content on movement and recovery and stress. And she is a tremendous resource for all things recovery-related, in and out of diabetes, in and out of exercise and sport. You can follow her on Instagram at Dr. Mariel, and she's just a tremendous resource. So I'm going to give the floor to Mariel Schofield to hear more about her experience with CBD. All right. Hi, my name is Mariel Schofield. I'm a doctor of physical therapy based out of Los Angeles, California. And I've been type 1 diabetic since the age of 5, so that's about 22 years now. I discovered CBD through one of my friends who was diagnosed with ankylosing spondylitis. So pretty unfamiliar to what CBD was. I was really interested in the product when he was describing its really potent anti-inflammatory effects. So I did a little bit of research and found that CBD is basically a non-psychoactive cannabinoid. And basically it has several anti-inflammatory and antioxidant effects that are super important in really all diseases. It's been shown to be beneficial in managing inflammation with diabetes, atherosclerosis, Alzheimer's, depression, glaucoma, like MS, cancer. So I started using it and basically what I found is when I do take CBD, I have a lot less anxiety throughout the day and I found that my insulin sensitivity has been a little bit better. not significantly to the point where if I don't manage other lifestyle factors like eating well sleeping well um taking care of all of you know uh physical activity and the basic controllable variables um but when you do do all of those things well in addition to cbd it really helps make you feel a lot better and and manage those uh glucose levels tremendously and um because of your profession, right? You deal with a lot of people either looking for, you know, reduced inflammation from training or some sort of pain management regimen. And how have you, how have you used CBD and what kind of CBD products have you used in sort of that exploration? Yeah. So first of all, I'll dive into the products that I like. There's a company in Santa Cruz called Santa Cruz Medicinals, and they make an MCT CBD oil that I usually either just put under my tongue or in my coffee, and they also make CBD-infused coconut oil and CBD-infused olive oil, which is awesome to cook with, or also I like to put the coconut oil in my coffee too. Another brand that I like is called My Soul CBD, and they are a new brand, and it's actually my friend with the inflammation condition, the ankylosing spondylitis, he introduced me to this brand. And again, really awesome MCT oil that basically you can put in coffee or under your tongue, whatever you like to do with it. And then, I'm sorry, what was the other question? I totally forgot. Yeah, I think the other one just being like seeing CBD as like a practical use case with physical recovery from training or just pain management, et cetera? Yeah. One of the biggest things we see with a lot of just conditions, like with the training, you're going to get some post-training inflammation and that's what you need in order to grow. But with injury or with really any pathology in general, we see an increase in inflammation. and inflammation is basically just a warning sign that, hey, something is going on, right? But when in anything, when anything becomes excessive, that's when you see more detriment. So with a lot of my patients who come to me who are in pain, who may have an acute injury, who may have just had surgery, I like using CBD because it helps mitigate that inflammation that might also be irritating nerves or if there's any post-traumatic inflammation that can help mitigate those signs and symptoms. So it's a really non-invasive way to help reduce pain, help reduce inflammation without the use of pharmaceuticals, which is awesome. And there's actually been some research that shows in cancer patients and in patients with MS and in general, just people who are in pain, the use of CBD and also the combination of CBD and THC has been shown to be more effective than any like pharmaceutical. And I think that's super important, not just from a research perspective, but also from a stigma perspective, right? So maybe not as much in California, but in across the country and, you know, people from different backgrounds may have some sort of stigma in their mind, predisposition against cannabis products or cannabinoids. Do you encounter any conversations like that with your patients or, you know, how would you address that type of conversation with someone interested in CBD or the benefits of CBD? Yeah, well, in California, luckily, you know, marijuana is legal. So we don't have to dive into legality purposes or medical card purposes, like stuff like that, because a lot of the CBD is derived with, or not derived, but there is a combination of THC and CBD, which has been shown to be a little bit more potent than CBD alone. But when, so there isn't as much of a stigma, I guess, to answer your question. but I guess the number one way to really address it is just to present the research like hey this is this is what um we've seen so far and these are the effects of chronic like um let's say opioid use compared to marijuana or or cbd and and really like there have not been any known or publish detriments to taking CBD. So that is also a big benefit because with taking like a heavy dose, like opioid or narcotics, you have all of these detrimental side effects. So when you're taking CBD alone, you don't even feel a whole lot other than calm because it is non-psychoactive when it's purely CBD. So that's a huge benefit when discussing with patients. You know, a lot of my patients feel miserable when they're taking Tramadol or codeine or a lot of these commonly prescribed anti-inflammatories or pain medications. So I think it's something that we'll see more commonly throughout the United States, especially in people with chronic pain and people who do have these pretty serious injuries. Totally agree. And I think as someone who's had to take those or been prescribed those medications you listed for various injuries in the past, the benefits of the CBD where you don't feel that terrible sort of very medicinal drag from some of those prescriptions, I don't experience on CBD, which is really positive. And I think it's one of the things that drew me towards it was all of the positive results that a lot of really like pro athletes and elite athletes were talking about their benefits in their training. And something that, you know, I was a guy that during the bro science era of the mid 2000s playing basketball took four to eight Advil every single day just to manage pain. So, you know, somebody thinking of the benefits that something like CBD could have on my 21-year-old life back in those days is just something that I wish we had that research on back then. Yeah, totally agree with that. Also, like, in general, just for people with type 1 and type 2 diabetes, really big issues for us are vascular issues. So micro and macro. So think like retinopathy and nephropathy, blindness, renal failure, and also atherosclerosis. Those are huge issues down the road if we don't manage our conditions well. So CBD actually has really potent endothelial properties that help keep our vascular system intact and reduces inflammation. And those are two really important things for people like us. and those are important too right because those are not things that you necessarily immediately notice or are like very top of mind but long term like you said as you look at the holistic like life of a person with diabetes 40 50 years down the road these can be major issues yeah yeah i mean i think what stroke mi arterial disease and also um limb amputations like those are huge issues for people with diabetes and, and having something in place that helps kind of mitigate inflammation. And, and I don't want to say prevent because it takes many things in order to kind of decrease the risk for those things to happen. But it's, it's a tool that you can use in addition to a number of other things, just lifestyle factors that will help. Yeah, totally agree. And I think, you know, I'm really glad that you were able to make time for this interview because your perspective differs from the other people on this episode in that this is what you do for a living. And, you know, your clinical perspective is super valuable. So thank you. Yeah, no problem. I'm happy to be here. And, yeah, this is something that has played a huge role in my life on a daily basis that I feel it's like micro gains. Like I feel a little bit better when I do take these things in addition to managing all of the other things from a lifestyle standpoint. Well, um, and yeah, if you have, uh, any questions to like, feel free to reach out to me, um, on social media or, or email either way. Awesome. And we will for sure tag you and put your information in the show notes. So that'll easily be accessible for everyone. these interviews. Hope you're still with us. Just a reminder that Green Helix CBD is sponsoring this podcast. And if you use code Rob Howe at checkout at greenhelix.com, you'll get 20% off your purchase. So don't forget to go check them out after this podcast. Our next guest is Erik Douds, who calls me from the phone in New York while he's going to catch a subway. And I actually am recording on the road as well. So what we have is the first double mobile interview on the Diabetics Doing Things podcast. You can follow Erik Douds on Instagram at Erik Douds and also anything he does on the Diabadass account. Highly recommend that you follow. Eric is a super incredible person to follow about diabetes. And I hope that you'll learn from his pretty incredible story about CBD. So check it out. And the adventures continue as you are mobile right now in New York. and I am currently in a very large hotel room in Des Moines, Iowa, a very large room in a very small town. So this is like the first remote interview, I think. Happy to be a part of it. Great. So we're talking CBD today, my man. You are a type 1 diabetic, a person living with diabetes, and you also use CBD. So how about you maybe tell us how you started exploring that journey and kind of what led you there? Yeah, the journey to actually explore CBD is kind of wild and of course includes a diabetic in there. But in the middle of Kansas, I actually bumped into a type 1 diabetic who is biking across the country the other way. And he and his sister happened to be using CBD each day for basically like helping treat all the soreness from their muscles. And so I was talking to Justin more about that and maybe three months ago started using it almost daily. And I think my like biggest interest in it is I've always had like really mild stomach issues. And so that's what it's been helping me with. I love it. So really the exploration came. That's so funny that at the intersection, like the middle of the country, you guys pass each other. both with diabetes and and what comes out of it is hey i managed my pain with cbd exactly oh that's super great make the stuff up as usual the stories with you are you know they're they're unique and poignant i love it so uh what have you been taking uh cbd wise over the last three months yeah so i've been using a brand called new world cbd and they have a dropper and I'm not 100% sure what the concentration units are in but it's their 500 maybe milliliter brand they kind of have like different concentrations and I know I'm at like the 500 kind of like 250s the lowest 500s in the middle and then 1000s the strongest so I'm right there in the middle ground and I'll take about like half the full amount of like a dropper like I don't know something you'd use on like a pet or something it's my comparison so you know something that gives you like five to ten drops and I do that in the morning and that and you found that that's sort of given a little bit of alleviation to some of your stomach pain yeah I mean it's one of these things I'm definitely a believer that the human mind often can have benefits from something like a placebo effect. So having something besides just an antacid that I think helps, you know, people talk about how it's calming on you. And I think many things related to my stomach issues is based around stress and kind of a mental thing. And so I just find it as an addition to my daily rituals to help with that. and I've experimented a little bit but not too much so I've always had like a kind of sore wrist and so I'm interested in kind of the topical CBD applications but I haven't truly used it for like muscle aches well that was actually my first uh and I record on this podcast I go into kind of detail about it but that was actually my first experience with the CBD product was for like knee and ankle pain, just with a topical solution. And I was like blown away by how well it worked. So I would encourage you, if you are on the fence, that that really helped me. No, definitely. And I know, you know, I think something that's not talked about that much in the diabetic community, but as you kind of go to various retreats and conferences, is that a lot of us deal with like other kind of illnesses that's where i think i know a lot of people that kind of have the mild stomach issues people that kind of have the mild skin issues and so that's where sarah mackley i know she uses cbd every day and she was the one that was like hey you should try this for your stomach um but i know like right now it seems like the community is experimenting with it and seeing what it does from person to person yeah it's really interesting to see i think I've now interviewed like six different type ones on this podcast format and everybody has a different type of response and also everyone was looking for something different and I think to your point type 1 diabetes is usually just the beginning of our chronic illness journey and as as humans in the U.S. like after we get to age 40 it's like all downhill from there in terms of chronic illness so like doing everything we can for prevention ahead of time is always great so I'm always interested to see what everyone's doing and Sarah is so great Sarah if you're listening I love your blog I didn't know you were using CBD but I'd love to talk to you about it so maybe it'll be the follow up to some of this on this podcast definitely she's the one that tuned me in so she's an interesting mind to pick but I think yeah we all appreciate or at least I appreciate having a new tool to conquer something I find with stomach issues specifically that the recommendations on how to treat it and manage it are very limited. Like, here's one thing that you can try and that's it. And so I just appreciate having another tool that I've found to be successful. Totally agree. And Eric, thanks for your time, man. And as always, your leadership and experimenting. And I wish you the best on the rest of your journey today. Now, all of these interviews are especially important. However, this one is very unique. Leila Prevette calls in from California and tells a story not only about the benefits of CBD and how she started to see results from them and her diabetes by initially treating her chronic migraines. She also talks about how she works together with her doctor and with her parents to find CBD and sort of addresses the stigma associated with it for young people as well as parents of children. So I hope that you'll really take this interview to heart. And Leila Prevette, it's all you.

[00:59:14] Leila Prevette: All right. Well, my name is Leila Prevette, and I live in the Central Valley in California, and I am currently 17, but I turn 18 on Saturday.

[00:59:25] Rob Howe: Oh, wow. Congratulations. Thank you. Well, Leila, and thank you for pronouncing your name. I would have butchered it. Fine. You are a person who takes CBD and has taken CBD, and you are also a person who lives with type 1 diabetes. How long have you had type 1?

[00:59:44] Leila Prevette: Um, 15 going on 16 years.

[00:59:47] Rob Howe: Right. So basically your whole life. Yeah. Um, and in that amount of time, uh, obviously you have a lot of experience, uh, with insulin therapies and I'm sure pumps and multiple daily injections and CGMs and the whole range and the whole spectrum. Mm-hmm. Um, so what made you start taking CBD or what was the, um, did you hear, hear about it? Doctor, what was the sort of story?

[01:00:10] Leila Prevette: Well, I suffer from chronic migraines as well as two other chronic illnesses in addition to diabetes. So I was going to be prescribed my 13th prescription medication for my migraines. And it was something that I had already been on just at a higher dosage. And I was like, you know what, I'm done with mainstream pharmaceuticals. And I had to convince my mom that this was a viable route for us to take. So I had to do all of this research. And I ended up finding out that it would help with not only my migraines, but my fibromyalgia, my Hashimoto's thyroiditis, and my type 1 diabetes as well. And so we thought, just let's look at it. Why not? We have nothing to lose. um so that was really how it got started um so my dad went to our local dispensary um it's called jaden's journey and got some of their cbd oil which is called jaden's juice and

[01:01:16] Rob Howe: it's a 28 to 1 cbd to thc ratio so it's very high in cbd and uh so you're in california obviously so So there are recreational dispensaries basically everywhere, right? So for you, so you got Jaden's Juice and you started taking it. And what did you find were the results? And how did you and your parents – and I also like the dynamic where you're not only experimenting on it for yourself, but also working with your parents to kind of work on their stigma of CBD as well.

[01:01:54] Leila Prevette: yeah both my mom um we found out a lot of information through the research that i was able to do and actually there's a great resource online it's called the cbdproject.org um this is not an endorsement in any way i do not have any affiliation with them but um there's a whole list of um illnesses on there that and it has research to back it up on the website. So, um, for people who are interested in trying it, um, I'd highly recommend going there. Um, but yeah, um, my parent, I love my parents that they're behind me with this decision. Um, but after about a month, I started noticing that I was going low a lot. Um, so we lowered my insulin ratios. I think I was about one to seven for my carb ratios and now I'm at 1 to 9 and 1 to 11 in the mornings. So it's really made a difference overall. My sensitivity is now 40. It was at like 32 and 30, depending on what time of day it was. So it's really dropped my insulin needs by a lot, which I think is amazing. And then I also noticed that, you know, a while, I had stable or blood sugars as well. This is, I didn't know what to expect because, um, all the research that I had seen had only been done with type 2. So, but I thought, you know, if it's gonna help them, it might help me. Um, no, that's awesome. And I think

[01:03:31] Rob Howe: that was really just an added bonus to you taking it. What about your migraines?

[01:03:36] Leila Prevette: Yeah, my migraines, I was getting about two a week, and they were debilitating. I couldn't do anything while I had them. I could just lay in bed. I'm now down to one a month. Wow. Which is, yeah, crazy. And then my joint pain, I'm able to work out now. I'm able to run without hurting as badly. Like, I still have bad days. I'm not going to say, like, it fixes everything, but they are better.

[01:04:05] Rob Howe: that's that's amazing and how long how long have you been taking the cbd and how long was it before you kind of noticed uh obviously like the blood sugar over a long period of time but um i've been

[01:04:16] Leila Prevette: taking cbd for about a year now um i'm almost a year and three months so um it's just it's really helped. I started noticing the impact on my diabetes about a month in and more of my migraines and joints about two to three months in. Okay. So it took a little while. It took a little bit longer and this is every day and it tastes like blech, but it's worth it because it helps so much.

[01:04:50] Rob Howe: Yeah. And it's still medicine, right? So it still has that medicine type taste, right?

[01:04:54] Leila Prevette: I did go through the process and I got my green card. So, um, I can go into the dispensary once I turn 18. Um, so that is a little bit different as far as the process here. But, um, President Trump made CBD legal all across all 50 states. So in every single state, um, you should be able to get some.

[01:05:17] Rob Howe: Yeah. Even in Texas, we have CBD now, which is like, you know, it was crazy. Yeah. So, um, what would you say? Cause I think this is really important for both parents and people living with diabetes who still are under their parents care. Um, how, what advice would you give to someone working with their parents or what advice would you give to parents, uh, for evaluating CBD?

[01:05:43] Leila Prevette: keep your mind open to it um it doesn't have any of the psychoactive properties as you might think cbd is not thc um just that you know it's not a gateway drug it's not gonna harm your kids in any way. Like you just need to try it. And if it doesn't necessarily work for your child, then move on and try something else. But it's at least worth the shot because I know so many people

[01:06:16] Rob Howe: that CBD has helped. Well, and it seems like you had bad experiences with a lot of other pain

[01:06:23] Leila Prevette: medications and, uh, and prescription drugs. I would say, um, without CBD at this point with my fibromyalgia, I would probably be on, um, opiates. Got it. So that for me is just the fact that I'm able to stay off of them is amazing. Right. Yeah. And I just finding a natural alternative to, you know, most, um, weed, especially if you live in California, um, And most of the weed here is grown organically, so there's no pesticides in it. There's no really harsh chemicals. You're not going to be exposing your body to something that is inorganic. So I think that that's just like an added benefit. It's knowing that what you're putting in your body is not going to hurt your body in any way. And CBD goes through an immense straining process. if you just do a little bit of research into how it's made. It's quite lengthy, and they go through several straining processes to make sure that there's nothing in there that could potentially be harmful.

[01:07:38] Rob Howe: That's awesome. And Liela, thank you so much for being willing to talk about it. Of course. The results sound pretty awesome for you, and I appreciate you sharing your experiences with diabetics doing things. All right, well, that does it for all of the external interviews, but I also wanted to dish on what I've learned from CBD during my trial. So I talked a little bit about this at the beginning of the episode, but I felt like it warranted a deeper interview. So here's my take on CBD and my experience coming right at you in a full, long-form, spilling, hopefully sensical interview of myself. What's up, everybody? It's me, Rob Howell. So it's a beautiful Sunday afternoon here in Dallas, and I'm going to go completely off script here. I'm just going to attempt to interview myself about CBD. This is a weird experience even for me, somebody who introduces, not even introduces, I've had way too much coffee, interviews people from all over the world and has done it a lot and also does Instagram stories. So I'm talking to myself via video. So here we go. Let's talk about my journey with CBD. I guess about seven eight months ago I was in a lot of pain and I was playing in a basketball league and I saw one of my college teammates shout out dalton patten he posted a Basically a review that he had been using some cbd topical rub for his knee pain And I totally respect dalton as an athlete He can literally jump on like a 72 inch Plyo box and he's 6 10. So I understand that he probably has a lot of the same pains that I deal with So I was like, okay, I'm going to try this. So I ordered it. I believe that was Myoderm. Myoderm.com was where you can look at some of those different rubs. I still use it a little bit today, but I don't really have as much pain as I was going through at that point. So I got it. I put it on and I have used, you know, I'm a guy that took four Advil three or four times a day when I was playing basketball, which like looking back at the damage that I was doing to my body on the inside, just totally, totally, totally makes me cringe because, you know all of now I know all of the damage that taking that amount of of ibuprofen can you know do to your body so I rubbed it on I had no expectations of immediate relief and yet I got immediate relief from my ankle and knee pain when I just rubbed it on which is faster than any sort of flex all so that was what really sparked my curiosity on to looking deeper into CBD about some of the other benefits so I kind of as I mentioned in the ad I was taking the super pure green helix, uh, just general, uh, CBD. It's the full spectrum. I think it's 30 milligrams. And I was taking those just kind of whenever I was feeling a little bit tired or I'd take one in the morning or right before I went to sleep. And it really did help me kind of ease into the day a little bit. Uh, I typically wake up really groggy. My girlfriend will laugh at me. She's like, yeah, you sleep literally through a freight train. So when I was waking up early in the morning to do some of my meditation and some of my just trying to get the day started easier. It really made that a lot more simple. And then I also was taking the pain recovery, which is as they put it on the packaging, if you take one before a workout and then one after, that's 100 milligrams of CBD throughout that time frame. And that just helped reduce a ton of the pain during the workout. So I was able to finish stronger, continue my reps in a way that I was really happy with, and then taking it after, just minimize the soreness from the workouts. And right now I'm working out at the Eastside Athletic Club. And I took a couple of weeks off when I was traveling to Switzerland and to Mexico for my birthday. So that was instrumental in making sure that when I came back and started hitting the weights really hard again, that I wasn't crippled. So those are my experiences. I, as somebody who really wants to continue to be active, and I know that being active makes me really happy, I needed a way, and I really started looking in 2018 for a way to continue to be active and not be in so much pain. So at the end of 2016, I had two ankle surgeries to remove bone spurs. And then the recovery process from that has been kind of long. And I was really searching for a solution. So I've been going to a movement specialist, been going to the gym. And part of that is just pain management. So I feel finally after almost two years after my surgery that I can get up, move, run around, squat, jump, play with the dogs, run down the hallway or do whatever I want to do without being in that constant pain. So CBD has been a big part of that. I'm looking forward to continuing to evolve that CBD journey as I try to keep that active lifestyle going. So now that I'm 30, you know, you just got to make sure that the, you know, all the body parts are working right and that you're keeping the long haul in focus and perspective. So that's what I'm going to do. So highly recommend trying out CBD greenhelix.com or myoderm.com if you're looking for that kind of intense Flexol, icy hot type topical rub. So at any rate, definitely check those out. And if you have any questions, just ask me. All right. Well, that wraps up the first group interview on the Diabetics Doing Things podcast. Only took us 110 or so episodes to make this happen. Don't forget, if you go to GreenHelixCBD.com, they're sponsoring this episode. Use code ROBHOW at checkout. out. That's my name, Rob, R-O-B, H-O-W-E, and you'll get 20% off your purchase. I'm currently using some of their vaporizer pins. I'm using their full spectrum CBD as well as some of the pain recovery. So I'm fully bought into the products that they use and I endorse them. Plus it's great to support people who support this podcast. Pretty awesome. So with that, if you have any other questions about CBD, please don't just do it on your own. Talk to your doctor, talk to the people on this podcast. I know we're all able to answer this information via Instagram. If you reach out to me at robhow21 or at Diabetics Doing Things, I'm happy to direct you to the right resources. And again, we're just doing this to demystify some of the claims around CBD, to demystify some of the stigma, to dispose some of the stigma. So if you have any questions, please reach out. And I hope that you got some value out of this today. And if you like these group style interviews, let me know. and I will do my best to do more of them. All right, guys, see you next time.